还是同一位外国友人写的，这段是在看完全剧之后的整体评论。跟一开始的抱怨比起来很有意思。

By Crazedmongoose

They just keep mentioning Sun Quan's ass getting kicked by Zhang Liao.

ANYWAY I'VE FINISHED THE SHOW


Verdict, I definitely liked the show better later on. It's definitely much less Shu-ist than all previous incarnations, though when you compare it to say SGZ and ZZTJ it's still undoubtedly Shu-ist (and SGZ/ZZTJ are already biased for Shu and Wei/Shu). The romanticism for Liu Bei and his brothers and Zhuge Liang is still intense. Though once you took Liu Bei etc. out of the picture it was hard to cheer exclusively for Shu as you would when reading SGYY.

The actor for Cao Cao often irked me when he was younger. I think because Cao Cao is shown squarely here as a villainous protagonist all the way through. I on the other hand only attribute Cao Cao's later years as villainous, and I consider his early years to be the stuff of heroes. Here for some reason he's much worse in his early years, in terms of callously killing and being unreasonable.


By faaaarrrrr the two most interesting and well done thing are Zhuge Liang's northern expeditions and his face off against Sima Yi; and Wu's four generations of Viceroys vendetta against Shu.

During the scene for Shang*fang valley (the fictional battle) almost brought a tear to my eye. Actually this scene really hammered home the "Shu no longer the unquestioned protagonists" point.

SPOILER ALERT

As Sima Yi's army became hopelessly trapped in Shang*fang valley and were slowly dying, Sima Yi ordered his men to put down their weapons and exit the valley in surrender. His generals asked what would he do, and Sima Yi replied that as commander in chief he must die at his post. The soldiers and officers refused to surrender. They ceased their attempts to break out Sima Zhao lead the men in singing the Chinese verse "风萧萧兮易水寒，壮士一去不复返” (the wind blows and freezes the water of yi; the hero leaves and will not return). This song was sang historically by the assassin Jing Ke as he set out to kill the King of Qin who was invading the other kingdoms. And the moral complexity really set in, as far as these generals and men were concerned there is nothing concerning the restoration of the Han. The Shu armies were invaders and as men of Wei they'll die protecting their country. Just as Jing Ke, a man of the northern kingdom of Wei (the predecessor of Three Kingdom's Wei to be exact) gave his life to protect the central plains/northern lands from invaders from the west (in Jing Ke's case Qin, in these men's case Shu).

Spoiler End

The Shu/Wu conflict was well done too. By the end of it you really believed that Lu Meng wanted nothing less than to kill Guan Yu with his bare hands, and you wanted him to as well. Historically Wu vs. Shu was pretty opportunistic, but if you follow the SGYY traditions, which this show does, then it's hard to argue Shu isn't being a complete bully the whole way through. But in SGYY none of the Wu characters were remotely likable enough that you wanted Wu to win against Shu even though it was clear Shu was in the wrong. Here though, Zhou Yu and Lu Su are so likeable that you can't help but side with them.


他们怎么总提孙权如何被张辽打的落花流水。。。

总之我看完全剧了。

结论：越到后面越精彩。不像之前所有的版本那么以蜀汉为正统了，虽然如果比起来《三国志》和《资治通鉴》来说，这部戏还是不可避免会多少倾向于蜀（其实《三国志》和《资治通鉴》已经是偏向于蜀和魏/蜀了）。新版三国，对刘备和结义兄弟还有诸葛亮的浪漫化演绎还是依然非常强烈的（文君：刘关张没看出来，玄亮嘛，嘿嘿；不好意思哈，自pia）。但是新版里你一旦把刘备这个角色从前面这些关系里拎出来，就很难像读《三国演义》时那样做坚定的蜀粉了。

曹操年轻的部分，演员挺让我烦的。我觉得是因为这版里，曹操从头到尾直接被定义为一个恶毒的主角。但是我觉得晚年的曹操才是个奸雄，年轻的曹操还是个英雄。但是在这版里，他无情杀人和不讲理让人觉得他年轻的时候就是个奸雄了。

这版里最有意思、处理的也最好的两个部分是诸葛亮的北伐/与司马懿对峙，和东吴四代大都督与蜀的较量。

上方谷一役我差点就哭出来了。实际上这个情节决绝的透露出“蜀再也不是那个战无不胜永远正义的主角”。

以下剧透（文君：我被剧透了！我才看到85集～不管没关系，其实也知道后面的故事）：

当司马懿的军队被无望的陷在上方谷等死的时候，司马懿下令让他们投降逃生。手下将军们皆问他会如何，司马懿说，主帅必须战死沙场马革裹尸。军卒和将军们全都拒绝投降。他们也不突围了。司马昭带着大家一起唱起"风萧萧兮易水寒，壮士一去不复返” 。这是荆轲刺秦时所唱的。这时候道义上的复杂性就显露出来了：对于这些魏国的将士们来说，这场战役要中兴汉室没有关系，蜀军是侵略者，他们作为魏国将士就一定要誓死保卫自己的国家。就像荆轲一样，北Wei的战士为保卫中原/抗击西来的入侵者而献出生命（荆轲的时候西来的侵略军是秦，荆轲是卫国人；这时候侵略军是蜀，面对的对魏国人；英文里都是Wei）。

剧透结束。

这版对吴蜀之争也处理的非常好！到最后的时候你完全理解为什么吕蒙执意要徒手砍下关羽的头颅，而且你都想让他去那么做（文君：二爷，这版真对不起你！）。历史上来说吴蜀之争充满了机会主义。但是如果你顺着三国演义的传统，这个版本也是，就不难觉得蜀从头到尾都是在欺负人。但是在三国演义里，东吴的人物都太被弱化了而且一点也不可爱，所以尽管一直是蜀在欺负吴，但是你从来还是会理所当然的希望蜀赢！但是在这版里，周瑜和鲁肃两个人物真是太可爱了，你无法不跟他们站在一边！（文君：这段翻的好爽！敬大都督们！）

去了GN给的链接的论坛，里面英文资料好丰富啊。三国志的英文翻译尤其给力！

原来Lady Wu就是吴国太！

呵呵，这个作者Lady Wu肯定是吴粉啦。

不过这个讨论帖实在太长了，无力爬楼。。。。

好有爱的翻译啊~~~~看着外国友人对扭三的看法也很有意思，果然这版东吴众的魅力大增吧~~都督们不管在哪个国家貌似都挺招人喜欢的，O(∩_∩)O哈哈哈~

By Zhilong:
再来更一段新的。这是另一位外国童鞋对扭三的整体评价。

SPOILERS WARNING!

Just finished the series. In the older version the start until Liu Bei gets to Jing always bored me. By contrast the newer version made that section much more watchable for me. The new versions portrayal of Lu Bu and Diao Chan was excellent to watch imo as i've never liked watching Lu Bu before.

The Chibi section dragged on for freaking ages it seemed and the whole Zhou Yu/Zhuge Liang love affair got very tiresome.

I felt the new ZL could not compare to the old actor which was quite disappointing. In the old version, ZL's appearance and until his death is a high point but the new one was a bit meh. He was constantly worried, depressed or ill. The treatment of his northern campaigns was pretty crap imo - the way they edited and condensed things really pissed all over the last great arc of the story imo. Devoting too much time to relatively unimportant stuff and skipping/condensing what should have been really exciting stuff was a problem with this series.

Ppl always complain in the old series that Wu is skipped over in the latter part of the series but at least there was the occassional cut scene to show what was going on in Wu but in this series after Ma Su's diplomatic envoy (stealing Deng Zhi's role) to repair the alliance after the death of Liu Bei - there was never another scene about Wu. I was really disappointed about that since the actor for Sun Quan and Zhang Zhao were great. Lu Xun was kinda disappointing but still better than the chubby guy from the old series. lol

Some changes.. like ZL lying to Wei Yan about passing the post of commander in chief to him were unforgivable. For the first half of the series i felt many of the changes were great and made things slightly more logical. But as the series went on i was wary of the changes which got increasingly strange.

All said though, the casting overall was superb and the production values were pretty good. The battles were actually entertaining this time round and each dual they tried to add a new gimmick etc in. The sets were a joy to watch. I felt nothing at the death of ZL but actually felt more for the death of Pang Tong and Lu Bu.

The treatment of Sima Yi by the Wei court was freaking insane. I felt more sorry for Sima Yi than Zhuge Liang due to the injustices he suffered - i was cheering him on to stage a coup. Dealing with the remainder of the story after ZL's death in 1 episode was unforgivable though.

The Wei attendant that Zhang Song had to bribe to gain an audience with Cao Cao - i think he deserves an award for the sheer number of visible characters he played.

I felt Li Yan was a confusing character since it was clear he was clearly political in his motivations but at the end he then gets all righteous and chides ZL for exhausting the Shu populace when all the way through he never gave a crap for either his lords nor the populace. Instead of Li Yan sending a fake memorial that Wu was invading, the memorial is sent by Liu Shan (probably at Li Yan's instigation) as a pretext to get ZL to return to Shu from campaign. I felt that was more logical than Li Yan faking a memorial so that is an example of a positive change imo.
Ok end of my rant.


以下是翻译：

注意有剧透：

刚刚看完全剧来吐槽。老版三国从开始到刘备到荆州的那部分一直都让人觉得索然无味。相比之下扭三把这部分拍的有意思多了。扭三里吕布和貂蝉的戏份也很耐看！扭三之前我从来没有喜欢过吕布。（文君：果然外国人和咱们的欣赏角度还素有不同的！）

我觉得赤壁的部分拖的太长了，整个周瑜/诸葛的“风流事件”也让人生厌（文君：竟然不爱嘟嘟。嘟嘟你的人见人爱花见花开的气场在国外某些童鞋那里失效了嘛？好吧。我只能摊手。）

我觉得扭三里的诸葛亮不能和老版的唐孔明相比，这点还挺让人失望的。老版里，诸葛亮从出场的戏份一直到他病逝都是很精彩的，但是扭三的孔明也就那么回事。他总是很焦虑，或者抑郁，或者病怏怏的。我觉得北伐的部分剧本也很烂-这部分缩水缩的太厉害，我觉得三国故事后期这么精彩的一段内容就这样被他们糟蹋了。不重要的事情拍来拍去没完没了，而很令人兴奋的部分又一带而过或者干脆不提，扭三这方面很有问题。（文君：我还是喜欢扭三里受气小媳妇儿样的诸葛狐狸，是吧？这位童鞋品味跟咱们太不一样袅。。。。『废话，真以为世界大同了』）

大家总是抱怨老版里后半部分的东吴戏份很少，但是至少老版还稍微提了一下放了几个镜头嘛。扭三里自从刘备死后马谡出使东吴（邓芝就去打酱油了）修复孙刘联盟之后，就再也没有任何东吴的戏份了！我真是特别希望啊，因为很粉孙权和张昭的演员啦（文君：您确定您想说的素张爷爷？好吧。。。）！陆逊有点逊，不过还是比老版里的胖胖好多啦。LOL。（文君：同意！看来外国粉丝也对GXX私藏东吴戏表示不满了，话说我们还等得到120集出来的那天么？！另外，小鹿嘟嘟，造型师真是对不住你啊）。

其他的一些改编：比如诸葛亮对魏延说的要传位给他的谎言（我还没看到这里呢，我翻的对么？），让人觉得不可原谅。前半部分的很多改编我都觉得很棒，而且让故事发展更合理了。但是后来慢慢的我觉得这些改编越来越奇怪了。

总而言之，演员整体都表现一流，制作也足够精良。战争场面也很有可看性，阵上武将过招每次都会有新的惊喜。道具也都很给力。诸葛亮死的时候我完全无感，但是庞统和吕布死的时候我确实难过了。

魏国上下对待司马懿的态度简直太变态了。相对于孔明来说我对司马懿的遭遇更加同情，因为他遭受了那么多不公（文君：说到这里我都想替司马求安慰求爱抚。。。我这是肿么了？）看的时候我总想给他加油让他快点政变。诸葛亮死后只有一集就结束了，这简直是不可饶恕。

张松在魏国时候要见曹操前行贿的对象-我觉得他跑了这么多露面的龙套应该得个什么奖了！（文君：嗯，我们已经给他发了）

我觉得李严是个各种混乱的人物，因为很明显他的动机很有政治性的，但是后来他又变得很正义又去责备诸葛亮倾举国人口北伐但是这之间的过程中他从来没表现出他在乎他的主公或者蜀国子民。没有让李严发布假军报说吴军来犯，而是让刘禅发假消息（估计是李严指使的）做托词让诸葛亮班师。我觉得这样比让李严做更合理，这个可以说一个（李严）积极改变的例子也许。（文君：最后这两句我表示翻的完全不知所云）。

OK，我的吐槽完毕！

其实我也挺喜欢唐国强的孔明的……那个孔明从头潇洒到尾，外形气质都很好，虽然有点太神乎，不过按小说么确实玄乎的………新版我觉得也挺好，这个孔明实在了很多，事实上他也确实为了各种事件烦恼，觉得他忧心啊什么的其实才是个正常人的表现……

只有喜欢张昭啊……历史上的张昭我挺喜欢，不过扭三的感觉不是欣赏是喜感= =~~外国友人和我的审美不大一样~~~

至于三国后期的故事，确实扭三忽略了很多，嗯……这个可以吐槽……

唐国强版的诸葛亮很传神，新版的诸葛实在太忧郁了，虽然本来就是个操劳命……不过看到那一直紧锁的眉头就森森觉得很累
小鹿……新三的造型师实在是想让人吐槽，不过确实比老版的馒头脸好了很多~\(≧▽≦)/~新三对东吴的刻画真的很有爱，估计增加了很多东吴粉呢~

这个英文论坛的楼好高的说，偶又有的爬了。
谢谢楼主的推荐。

引用

引用第14楼晓月轻霜于2011-07-04 19:36发表的  :
唐国强版的诸葛亮很传神，新版的诸葛实在太忧郁了，虽然本来就是个操劳命……不过看到那一直紧锁的眉头就森森觉得很累
小鹿……新三的造型师实在是想让人吐槽，不过确实比老版的馒头脸好了很多~\(≧▽≦)/~新三对东吴的刻画真的很有爱，估计增加了很多东吴粉呢~

森森的强排！！！老版的周瑜和诸葛都有一种很神的感觉，是一种Ideal的类型人格，是适合做偶像的。扭三呢，怎么说，诸葛那个平生未展眉确实有点吃不消= =

翻译辛苦了~~

扭三确实挖掘出不少吴粉呢~

最开始几楼那个确实看到心里好虐……还有遗言回放神马的嘤嘤嘤……

老版东吴的剧情非常有限，新版则大大加强了东吴的戏份。三国的戏份基本持平。但是对曹魏的表现比较有限。

曹操我还是欣赏老版，那种霸气和文采斐然，猜忌多疑什么的表现到位之极。新版斯基瞒还是搞笑神马的比较给力，霸气不足，智慧什么的表现也不足。新版荀后相当突出啊！！但是俺最爱的奉孝就是个悲剧...总体上讲新版曹魏气氛比老版轻松不少，虽然其内部复杂程度仍然远超吴蜀。草皮和蚂蚁实在是...老版有讲过这个咩？？？！！！

刘备老版的贴近原著，而新版面瘫刘确实霸气外露，也就更加能解释为什么刘备能三分天下，老版的有些过于仁，近乎羸弱了，让人觉得没有葛后完全就不行。而新版弱化了葛后的神奇程度，相比更加真实，但是毕竟是三国的演义版本，所以瑜亮之战还是有意突出葛后的算无遗策，不过相比老版新版葛后更加接近现实中人啦，尤其是蜀国内部关张二人对葛后时有猜忌之类的，而葛后也会感到压力，老版孔明差不多就是近妖了，百毒不侵。当然陆孔明悲催疲劳的感觉比较明显，但是私以为孔明摊上最弱的蜀国本来就是个难事啊，水镜也说孔明虽得其主不得其时，所以孔明的烦忧其实比魏吴的那些谋士更加繁多，劳心劳力是真的！西蜀之所以能三分天下，的确是因为人和，文臣武将数量有限但是质量有保障。关张二人绝对是老版的经典不解释，不管是演员的神韵，造型，表现力，新版都比较悲剧。马谡在新版也有强化，公瑾你有小棉袄蒙蒙，俺们葛后也有小棉袄幼常啊，所以后来挥泪斩马谡更有可信性。云妹嘛...两版各有千秋啦，老版当然不能称为云妹，你们懂得。

东吴扭三真是大加笔墨啊，西西绝对是吴粉不解释，一个个漂亮的哟。老版对孙权的表现非常有限，不过形象更加合适哈，以前超喜欢的，很有碧眼儿的感觉，但是没那么有用。新版渣权的话，更有些智慧，尤其是对江东内部关系的处理更能显示出“生子当如孙仲谋”的那个仲谋，不过形象就是渣权和碧眼儿没什么关系了。嘟嘟的话老版嘟嘟更有傲气，其“妒”更强，意气风发的话实话比黄嘟嘟更好，而新版稍微强化了瑜亮的惺惺相惜，突出了周瑜的壮志未酬的悲哀，当然黄嘟嘟真是让人叹息啊，不过孔明哭公瑾还是挺假哈，老版的我也觉得挺假...至于孙策嘛，当然也比老版强化了些，但是俺觉得更多的强化是因为铺天盖地的“策瑜”贴造成的假象吧...还有喜欢公瑾的小棉袄吕蒙蒙，新版吕蒙超爱的啊！！小鹿也不错，这些人老版说实话俺都没怎么关注的，因为表现不多。

剧情上嘛，改编挺多的...看到张飞真的去后院放火我差点吐血晕倒，这也行？？？！！！
我觉得扭三的改编有一点不错，就是君臣关系，曹魏的纠结原著什么的炒得已经很热了，斯基瞒的那些旧部有好下场的没几个，新版稍稍弱化。而吴蜀的君臣猜忌新版增加了剧情，关张对葛后的猜忌，渣权对公瑾的不满等等。这些改编使得整个故事更加戏剧性，本来我也没把扭三当历史看。这些剧情小虐但是俺看得听high哈（你是直接当同人看吧...>_<）
其他的改编俺以为有增加对剧情的解释，尤其是借谋臣之口解释一些事件为什么发生，逻辑性更强，更容易理解人物的心境。老版有些时候让人摸不着头脑，觉得前后逻辑不是很清晰。
战争场面西西的扭三表现得有限，老版的表现更多，有些经典战役扭三一笔带过的就去回顾老三吧！！